ESRB Says It Doesn’t See ‘Loot Boxes’ As Gambling

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Over the past few weeks, as randomized loot boxes have dominated the conversation surrounding this fall’s video games, there have been calls for the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) to classify them as gambling in its back-of-the-box ratings. But the ESRB says that’s not going to happen—because according to…

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The ESRB tells me it doesn't see (and won't classify) loot boxes as gambling
Yeah, it is not like you pay money and have no way of telling what you're gonna get. ...Wait, hold on.
epidemic of kids stealin credit cards to buy lootboxes, sponsored by warner bros and disney for years to come confi…
Semantics. The effect it has on people is the same.
I guess the argument is you are getting something no matter what but I think not considering it gambling is naive.…
But it is gambling and it's terrible.
TÓCATE LOS COJONES
lol looooooooooooooooooooooooool looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool fuck
ESRB: "You'll always get something from a loot box." Fair enough. Heroes works the same way: every pull could be B…
The ESRB is part of the ESA. Of fucking course they don't want it to see as gambling
It is a solid argument, it's no different than RNG in any game besides involving money. Does money + RNG = gambling?
This is dumb, at least I can trade or sell trading cards. I get dupes in OW and that just sucks
ESRB is fucking up big time
If lootboxes are gambling, then wouldn't baseball cards and mystery box toys be as well?
FUCK THEM
"While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content"…
Ouch. Well, now you all know what to expect going forward. #loot #esrb
I mean, they are though.
ESRB representative proves they have no idea what the literal definition of "gambling" is.
Looks like the ESRB are cunts, then.
Thanks a fucking lot. Now they've got even more incentive to keep pulling this shit.
This is garbage by the ESRB. People are being manipulated similar to gambling. Someone needs to step up.
Well it isn't TBH
I strongly agree with their reasoning on this. But maybe we need to broaden the definition of gambling?
In which we see the ESRB utilize both false equivalence AND semantic argument in an ethics discussion.
Sorry @ESRBRatings but this is BULLSHIT. You know as well as I do it is. You're just too scared to actually call it…
really makes you think
They're right; and publishers will create any amount of trash 'loot' to justify "win every time". They know the fin…
🤔
but they are for real money
Wait what? Not only are you gambling, but you are gambling with your OWN, REAL MONEY @ESRBRatings WTF?
@pegi save us
Makes sense TBF. You can't win money at a casino without spending money.
Normal, dentro de lo que cabe....
@esrb pls I have no more moneys
That's pretty fucked
Well then. I guess that's that.
I mean I can kinda see the argument they have given but I still think it's gambling and it's encouraging kids to ga…
We so disagree with the ESRB here.
This is why the ESRB sucks
At some point will have to with the way things are going.
The ESRB says it doesn't see loot boxes as gambling
I mean the ESRB is funded by companies currently benefiting from this business model, so
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Si…
Well, too bad, they are. (They're also bad game design and I hate them.)
#lootpocalyspe is real
It's pure fucking chance, it should be regulated on the box of every game
Alternate title: @ESRBRatings makes up their own, extremely narrow definition of gambling that no one in the histor…
Bullshit. I hate this practice more than day one DLC / In-app purchases / pre-order BS combined.
'Upon closer inspection, this thing making us a shitload of money is totally above-board'
"Tobacco companies say smoking doesn't cause cancer"
I made a slot machine that says "not gambling" right on it so I'm good, right?
That’s fine, and I agree. But loot boxes don’t need to qualify as gambling to justify a note on the box. Apple adde…
So the ESRB is being payed off.
It is by definition gambling and by not cracking down on it internally you're opening the doors to have it cracked…
come on esrb, do something worthwhile
It's a game of chance with real money,it's gambling! The Mordor people said that you could only get specific ones b…
So who's paying them to make this call?
The National Association of Foxes says it doesn't see why hen houses need locks.
its not gambling as long as people pay us money to say so
But... they are
how can you not?
ESRB you are doing a terrible job..
Of course not, because you are always receiving digital items in return. Whether it's what YOU want doesn't matter.…
This would explain Nintendo Badge Arcade's rating...
Dear ESRB, Thank you for failing us, like you always do. Meanwhile, OpenCritic is doing WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING!…
I mean, at least in gambling there's something you can tangibly gain
Personally, I don't see lootboxes as gambling. If it was, then buying packs of trading cards would be gambling too.
Sounds like some members in ESRB department are getting some extra funds in their pockets...
so "fake" in-game gambling with no consequences gets a tag, but actual gambling with real money doesn't?
Didn't the entire csgo thing already answer this question. Its fucking gambling.
Isn't the ESRB primarily designed to protect children from harmful content? How is this not appalling to them?
The ESRB is right. Loot boxes are NOT gambling. You're wagering nothing, & you're guaranteed to get 'items' in retu…
But I lost all my money for that epic piece? Jk Idk what this is considered, but I have issues if I spent 100 dolla…
hmm 🤔
Who watches the watchmen?
The dont see past the money is what they mean. Fixed it for ya.
Great Ruling: "We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games" you still get something.
Loot boxes SON apostar. Manga de salames
[Narrator voice: It is.]
Wonder how much they got paid off to say this
Because of course it doesn't if it makes them money. Fuck all of this tbh
Yeah, it's not gambling, its just a scummy way to drip feed extra stuff
I see the ESRB's logic here... but it's still a very dumb and shitty business practice
"Valve is making too much money so it's not gambling"
@JimSterling your thoughts
Spending money on a chance to get what you want... is not gambling...k
If there's a chance to obtain an ítem from a box which contains many posible choices AND there's an option to buy l…
Duh, of course the ESRB doesn't. They're funded as an organization of the ESA which has dues paid by publishers.
so if a game has a casino in it, you get tagged for "Gambling" but betting real money for random prizes isn't?
Yeah, and fantasy sports isnt gambling...
@Junichi_Masuda Please bring back the Game Corner.
This is horseshit and has to change. It'd be sound if no money was being spent, but it's real cash spent on a gam…
The justification they give actually seems pretty good
This seems to be the dictionary definition vs the legal definition. I'm disappointed, but not surprised that ESRB w…
#FacePalm cc @JimSterling
I thik they need to read uo on the word 'gambling' @danielhey83
Nada impide a los grandes publishers hacer lobby con la ESRB para que prácticas como microtransacciones sean norma…
Meanwhile in the mobage kingdom of salt...
Sounds like I have a video to do on this shit.
Collectible card games are gambling too
not a big fan of the esrb. this is one of the things they absolutely should be taking action on, but no
The ESRB says it doesn't see loot boxes as gambling
Nah, it's gambling. Just asked 2013 me that spent over $150 dollars in VC for MyTeam packs. #LootCrates
Well, laa-dee-dah Mister Big Fancy ESRB. 🕹️🎰
@RareDropCo Any chance we can share some thoughts on this tonight? I know we're getting to the "Dead Horse" point,…
Of course they don't; you get something out of a loot box, just not something you want all the time
Their reasoning is: “You always get something.” Which is technically true if somewhat disingenuous.
Hablando del tema Xd
I'd be interested to know what someone with a background in psychology has to say about this.
And the ESRB just invited congress to curbstomb the video game industry.
ESRB is right about this. However loot boxes ARE having a negative effect. As always........vote with your wallets.…
Paying for the 'chance' to 'win' something of 'value'... somehow this is not seen as gambling -.-
"the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something th…
A ESRB poderia ir se foder, abraço.
Well everyone's allowed to be wrong once in a while @ESRBRatings
Yeah well gud because I've spent at least $380 on Hearthstone expansions and adventure packs and I'm pretty sure li…
Loot boxes are as much gambling as slot machines in my eyes, and both prey on the vulnerable, poor and easily addic…
Something tells me that @Ethan_Einhorn is having a bad day today.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
I agree with the ESRB. However, the gaming community itself must distinguish between pay-to-win loot boxes and cosm…
Do these loot boxes make us feel worse because it’s a full-price game and not F2P?
.@jasonschreier's talk with the ESRB has me a bit concerned...
Lootboxes make use of some cognitive biases that fuels gambling but ESRB doesn't agree. #gamedev #gambling #lootbox
NEWS ALERT! @ESRB finds loot boxes controversy not credible as they don't fall under gambling jurisdiction! #gaming
no conflict of interest on the part of the esrb, no sir
An advisory board made of of the gaming industry itself does not see a problem with loot boxes. I am shocked.
ESRB hat Recht, macht die Lootboxen aber nicht besser
Better headline: ESRB doesn't see gambling as gambling
Organization funded and started by publishers agrees with publishers. #ESRB
Well, I know what might come up on this week's @p1podcast
@Totalbiscuit ESRB send their regards And a giant FUCK YOU to us as players
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
@Digimonty mira, con lo que te mola el tema cajas.
The latest in the ongoing discussion about the rise in #microtransactions in #videogames
Sure you saw this @JimSterling
@PrettyBadTweets hey guys have you seem the response from ESRB & PEGI, to loot boxes. and
(1) This is really interesting. There is nothing inherent in the concept of "gambling" that requires a zero payout.
(2) In fact it implies that if I paid $10 for a 50/50 shot at either $100 or $1, that I'm not gambling.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
The ESRB says it doesn't see loot boxes as gambling
I mean they’re not.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling @Totalbiscuit
@Totalbiscuit I don't like the sound of this.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling ༄ Over the past few weeks, as randomize…
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
Industry run ratings board says profitable but despised system used in industry is OK!
@JimSterling Hello Jim! Did you have an opinion on what the ESRB has said about loot boxes?
@JimSterling @AngryJoeShow I don't think this problem is going away anytime soon
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
One thing that really interests me is gambling addiction, and the many ways it permeates our society.
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ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling - @PEGI save us.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
@ESRBRatings Unlike Card Games you don't have anything to trade/resell and for loot boxes you need real money.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling #TMNYSK
The ESRB says it doesn't see loot boxes as gambling
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
mjc Says He Doesn't See 'ESRB' As Intelligent ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
The ESRB doesn’t consider loot boxes as gambling @Toadsanime @reuthegamer
If a dollar slot machine was guaranteed to spit out at least 25 cents every time, it's not gambling. -ESRB's Logic
What's your position on this? Are loot boxes/crates with their rng factor gambling? @DougPolkPoker @RealKidPoker
ESRB" 루트박스는 도박으로 보지않는다 "
@JimSterling Haven't read Twitter yet so not sure if you've commented on this yet:
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling - Kotaku
Is loot boxes/Gacha is gambling ? by @jasonschreier
This inaction by the ESRB invites gov. regulation. ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling via @kotaku
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling And the industry will take this and run with it all the way.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
Loot boxes will not get your game an Adults Only rating. Like baseball cards, it's not gambling, says @ESRBRatings
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
@SidAlpha Don't know if you heard this already but the ESRB claims loot box's are not gambling
the game industry's response to hatred of downloadable content was a pivot to *a chance of* downloadable content
Yeaaaah, expecting that to change at some point
ESRBs reasoning is actually pretty interesting, but I think it's dangerous to downplaythat they hit the same buttons
@Totalbiscuit @YouTube @Kotaku got a response from ESRB they take the its not gambling. I think its more problemati…
The ESRB says it doesn’t see loot boxes as gambling
More like “ESRB Literally Paid To Say It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling”
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
@Totalbiscuit
Who cares what the ESRB thinks? It's a child of the ESA, a lobby group, like the NRA. Government should legislate.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
@ESRBRatings says it doesn't see 'Loot Boxes' as gambling 🎁
"ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling" #games #feedly
I'm not sure if I would agree on that...
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling - Kotaku
Dear ESRB, I'd STRONGLY recommend heading this off before it becomes a congressional inquiry.
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
@ESRBRatings If slot machines had a 1 penny min return instead of 0, they would still be gambling in most places.
Even if loot boxes are not gambling, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be regulated, but I guess it's not happing...
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling
@JimSterling

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